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> Dye Frequency, Figure Out WHEN youll get one!
post Nov 24 2009, 07:22 PM
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It's down to rarity, plus supply and demand. The dye (and material) vendors in 'post searing' Tyria can only sell what players sell to them. Then them's the 'drop rate'. This is only a rule of thumb guide and based on researching the 'pre-searing' interlude or trading introduction to the game.

Basically I killed every hostile creature on an area by area basis and logged the results. It goes roughly like this:

* For every 150 hostile creature's item drop you might get one coloured dye (red, blue, green etc)

* For every 10 regular colours you might get one silver (less than 1 in 1,500 chance)

* For every 10 silver dyes you might get one black or white (less than 1 in 15,000 chance)

I could be scientific and spend months just 'farming dyes' to get a precise figure but it's the work of seconds for NCSoft to alter the drop rates and apply it to the next update. You may hear of people seeing two dyes one after the other but - especially where black is concerned - you are talking lottery number chances.

Here's a useful link: GameWiki on dye drop rates


What are dyes worth, I see them requested a lot ?
As a rough guide, for those those haven't visited dye vendor yet:

* Purple, orange and yellow cost around 100g
These vendors will only offer you 10g or so

* Green, red and blue, being more popular, are around 175g each
Vendors will offer in the region of 60 to 80g

* Silver, being both rare and popular, costs in the region of 750g
These can be sold to the NPC traders for around 600g
* Black and White, the rarest, costs in the region of 8,000g, rising to up to over 12k in times of demand, White being the more expensive or the two.
Ever popular, these are worth over 6,000g if sold to the stalls
As an aside, the white dye sold for a staggering 32k when it first came out in October 2006

Typically prices with vary by 25% from day to day and (scammers aside*) there's a large number of people making money in the game just by trading these, especially given that black can vary between 6,000g and 10,000g over the course of a week. Naturally, if you spend the time, you can buy or sell for a better deal from other players.


Black/White dye con artists
In 'pre-searing' especially you will frequently see "WTB Black dye" or similar. If you pull them up there will claim there are really offering 5,000g. Naturally we all know they are lying, otherwise they would announce the offer price. As mentioned earlier, a black vial of dye costs as much as 10,000g (with highs of over 14k) in 'post searing' Tyria and Cantha, meaning the vendors will typically pay between 6,000g and 8,000g. These con artists - for that is all they are - typically offer new players 200g and laugh at how gullible these 'noobs' are.

Screen shot here, nm works better for this, a good thing to do is Jaya Bluffs Feather Farm in nm over and over...eventually youll se results. not to mention if you get a stack of scalps they sell for 40k becasue each scalp or crest contains 3-4 feathers. if you guys get the chance to check out the screen shot please re rate it to a positive:)
below i got a black dye on my 3rd run. Combine together with my Renew Farming Guide located here CLICK HEREto get higher results...the polls don't lie.

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For a minute I thought this concerned me! content.gif

Nice statistical data that you have put together!


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post Nov 25 2009, 09:13 PM
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hmm good post on dyes, but you should have included spots you were farming.
also when you were farming. cause it makes a difference. I always do my Dye Farming right after a UPDATE. Why you ask... cause every stat gets reset.
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post Nov 25 2009, 09:20 PM
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+1 or -1?


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post Nov 25 2009, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(Adub @ Nov 25 2009, 03:20 PM) *
+1 or -1?


Don't know that I could give it a +1 because it's statistical data. I don't fully agree on it because I farmed Raptors for 6months and accumulated well over 150+ of Black and White dye and countless stacks of all the others. Given that it's only stats, no areas were mentioned where he farmed I'd have to give this a -1.


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post Nov 25 2009, 09:40 PM
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I have to agree with Freequency.

Dyes are technically completely random.Ive gotten a red and a black on a consecutive drop.

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post Nov 26 2009, 06:44 AM
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Yeah... his information is incorrect...

Just WHAT IF, you continued your "research" I"m sure you might come up with an incorrect pattern.. perhaps...

But in pre I've played my wife got a black then a silver drop right after another next loaded area I got a Silver then a black just a few kills later..
And raptors.. yeah... dye up the butt
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post Nov 30 2009, 05:22 PM
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it counts as anywhere, regardless of area or monster, people in pre or low lvl characters get rare dye more frequently because its statistically Anets way of getting them started and hooked in the game. i farmed raptors, charr outside of piken in nm everywhere. its unbelieveable.

also go to my ASSASSINS DIET to get your ABS(obby armor) fast!
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post Nov 30 2009, 05:23 PM
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also has to do with how FAST you kill a group/enemy
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post Dec 22 2009, 07:37 PM
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Are we all aware that most of what this guuy said is false...? White dye costs more than black...? Silver costs 750G...? mmmhmm....
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QUOTE(speerit @ Dec 22 2009, 01:37 PM) *
Are we all aware that most of what this guuy said is false...? White dye costs more than black...? Silver costs 750G...? mmmhmm....


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post Dec 22 2009, 08:13 PM
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yeh white costing more than black is laughable. Dye drop is random, you can give a ball park number as to what your chances of a drop is, but nothing will be bang on, ever if you researched for 6-12 months.

I give it a -1 because all it really shows is his drop rates, which will be quite different from everyone else's.


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post Dec 23 2009, 12:39 AM
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well take it down. coming to think that its only useful to show research as a difference form everyone else, that is if everyone else was to do their own research recount the variables and compare which of the two to get a more accurate number. looking over what i posted....it wasnt even mine.. i just heard it somewhere...
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Dye Drops are somewhat random but there is some weird pattern for sure. I just got 2 black dyes in a row in HM DOA Foundry followed by a white dye in city. Before the Vatir farm nerf I would get silver dyes like crazy. I am sure there is a formula of some sort and it is effected by some factors, but just base kill count is not it.

Just putting numbers up and calling them statistics based on your observations is kind of like lying. Perhaps you can get a job working with the global warming folks! If you REALLY did research, I would like to see your raw data, T-test and Z-score calculations, which would give you real statistical data we can actually rely on.
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